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		<title>Comment on Roger Patterson’s Plagiarism by Daniel Loxton</title>
		<link>http://orgoneresearch.com/2012/01/11/roger-patterson%e2%80%99s-plagiarism/comment-page-1/#comment-3409</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Loxton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 22:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris Murphy writes,

&lt;blockquote&gt;At this time, I am attempting to create a sasquatch sculpture based on painting by another artist. The painting has everything I need sort of thing (proper proportions, good stance, perfect detail and so forth). Why should I reinvent the wheel? That’s the way it goes with artwork. Ask any artist.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As a working artist, I quite agree that every artist&#039;s work is in some sense derivative—we learn from art, just as filmmakers learn from film. It&#039;s also true that many artists keep &quot;scrap&quot; files of reference images that may inspire or assist us in our work, in exactly the same way that writers keep books for reference. 

Nonetheless, outright copying without credit (and more important, without permission) as Patterson did for his illustrations is not acceptable for artists any more than it is for writers. An instructive case referred to often in art circles is &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_v._Koons&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rogers v. Koons&lt;/a&gt;, in which a well known professional sculptor used another artist&#039;s photograph as the basis for a sculpture. Koons was &lt;a href=&quot;http://openjurist.org/960/f2d/301/rogers-v-koons&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;successfully sued&lt;/a&gt; for copyright infringement on the basis that his sculpture was not parody and was &quot;substantially similar&quot; to the original two-dimensional photograph &quot;to the extent that, under the ordinary observer test, we conclude that no reasonable jury could have differed on the issue of substantial similarity. For this reason, the district court properly held that Koons &#039;copied&#039; the original.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Murphy writes,</p>
<blockquote><p>At this time, I am attempting to create a sasquatch sculpture based on painting by another artist. The painting has everything I need sort of thing (proper proportions, good stance, perfect detail and so forth). Why should I reinvent the wheel? That’s the way it goes with artwork. Ask any artist.</p></blockquote>
<p>As a working artist, I quite agree that every artist&#8217;s work is in some sense derivative—we learn from art, just as filmmakers learn from film. It&#8217;s also true that many artists keep &#8220;scrap&#8221; files of reference images that may inspire or assist us in our work, in exactly the same way that writers keep books for reference. </p>
<p>Nonetheless, outright copying without credit (and more important, without permission) as Patterson did for his illustrations is not acceptable for artists any more than it is for writers. An instructive case referred to often in art circles is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_v._Koons" rel="nofollow">Rogers v. Koons</a>, in which a well known professional sculptor used another artist&#8217;s photograph as the basis for a sculpture. Koons was <a href="http://openjurist.org/960/f2d/301/rogers-v-koons" rel="nofollow">successfully sued</a> for copyright infringement on the basis that his sculpture was not parody and was &#8220;substantially similar&#8221; to the original two-dimensional photograph &#8220;to the extent that, under the ordinary observer test, we conclude that no reasonable jury could have differed on the issue of substantial similarity. For this reason, the district court properly held that Koons &#8216;copied&#8217; the original.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Roger Patterson’s Plagiarism by Matt</title>
		<link>http://orgoneresearch.com/2012/01/11/roger-patterson%e2%80%99s-plagiarism/comment-page-1/#comment-3389</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I regret that I missed your work in your re-printed Patterson book. Thanks for the updated information. As far as art goes, I like fine art and illustration myself. The degree to which Patterson copied other artists speaks for itself, which is why I included the visual examples. It&#039;s not a not, it&#039;s not an homage, it&#039;s obvious plagiarism, which is why I used that word. 

I know it&#039;s an uphill battle to convince the world that Patterson wasn&#039;t a con man, a lying, thieving, horse-dragging, plagiarist, but I wish you luck in fighting the good fight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I regret that I missed your work in your re-printed Patterson book. Thanks for the updated information. As far as art goes, I like fine art and illustration myself. The degree to which Patterson copied other artists speaks for itself, which is why I included the visual examples. It&#8217;s not a not, it&#8217;s not an homage, it&#8217;s obvious plagiarism, which is why I used that word. </p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s an uphill battle to convince the world that Patterson wasn&#8217;t a con man, a lying, thieving, horse-dragging, plagiarist, but I wish you luck in fighting the good fight!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Roger Patterson’s Plagiarism by Chris Murphy</title>
		<link>http://orgoneresearch.com/2012/01/11/roger-patterson%e2%80%99s-plagiarism/comment-page-1/#comment-3374</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 20:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My goodness, I reported that Patterson copied the Kunstler drawing over ten years ago.  I also reference that he copied at least one drawing in my book THE BIGFOOT FILM JOURNAL.  Nevertheless, I did not know about the True Magazine article.

However, let&#039;s learn a little something about artwork.  Some of the most famous artworks in history are copies.  Artists have been doing this since man started scratching images on cave walls.  If you want to know more about this, then go to the library and read the first few chapters of HISTORY OF ART, by M.W, Janson. 

There is nothing wrong with this, unless one tries to pass off (sell) his copy as an original. We don&#039;t even know if the original artwork copied by Patterson was &quot;original.&quot;  Artists have to get ideas from somewhere, so they search around and essentially &quot;copy&quot; (either in whole or in part) what others have done. You will note that Patterson&#039;s drawings are a bit different, so he sort of &quot;did his own thing,&quot; as it were.  

As an artist, Patterson was really very good. That he used his talent to illustrate his book was a real &quot;plus.&quot;  To say that this was an indication of his dishonesty is quite absurd. 

At this time, I am attempting to create a sasquatch sculpture based on painting by another artist.  The painting has everything I need sort of thing (proper proportions, good stance, perfect detail and so forth). Why should I reinvent the wheel?  That&#039;s the way it goes with artwork.  Ask any artist.

Chris Murphy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My goodness, I reported that Patterson copied the Kunstler drawing over ten years ago.  I also reference that he copied at least one drawing in my book THE BIGFOOT FILM JOURNAL.  Nevertheless, I did not know about the True Magazine article.</p>
<p>However, let&#8217;s learn a little something about artwork.  Some of the most famous artworks in history are copies.  Artists have been doing this since man started scratching images on cave walls.  If you want to know more about this, then go to the library and read the first few chapters of HISTORY OF ART, by M.W, Janson. </p>
<p>There is nothing wrong with this, unless one tries to pass off (sell) his copy as an original. We don&#8217;t even know if the original artwork copied by Patterson was &#8220;original.&#8221;  Artists have to get ideas from somewhere, so they search around and essentially &#8220;copy&#8221; (either in whole or in part) what others have done. You will note that Patterson&#8217;s drawings are a bit different, so he sort of &#8220;did his own thing,&#8221; as it were.  </p>
<p>As an artist, Patterson was really very good. That he used his talent to illustrate his book was a real &#8220;plus.&#8221;  To say that this was an indication of his dishonesty is quite absurd. </p>
<p>At this time, I am attempting to create a sasquatch sculpture based on painting by another artist.  The painting has everything I need sort of thing (proper proportions, good stance, perfect detail and so forth). Why should I reinvent the wheel?  That&#8217;s the way it goes with artwork.  Ask any artist.</p>
<p>Chris Murphy</p>
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		<title>Comment on Roger Patterson’s Plagiarism by Steven Streufert</title>
		<link>http://orgoneresearch.com/2012/01/11/roger-patterson%e2%80%99s-plagiarism/comment-page-1/#comment-3373</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Streufert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 19:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, he did sketch copies of popular images. This is not really damning, but is very similar to including newspaper accounts of sightings, which he also did.

Bigfoot Bookman
Willow Creek</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, he did sketch copies of popular images. This is not really damning, but is very similar to including newspaper accounts of sightings, which he also did.</p>
<p>Bigfoot Bookman<br />
Willow Creek</p>
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		<title>Comment on Roger Patterson’s Plagiarism by Igor Burcev</title>
		<link>http://orgoneresearch.com/2012/01/11/roger-patterson%e2%80%99s-plagiarism/comment-page-1/#comment-3370</link>
		<dc:creator>Igor Burcev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 15:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dogs are barking at the elephant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dogs are barking at the elephant</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bigfoot’s Bending Fingers by Matt</title>
		<link>http://orgoneresearch.com/2012/02/20/bigfoot%e2%80%99s-bending-fingers/comment-page-1/#comment-3304</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 04:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... Honestly, I did this as a quick qualitative test. I hesitate to guess with numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; Honestly, I did this as a quick qualitative test. I hesitate to guess with numbers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bigfoot’s Bending Fingers by parnassus</title>
		<link>http://orgoneresearch.com/2012/02/20/bigfoot%e2%80%99s-bending-fingers/comment-page-1/#comment-3301</link>
		<dc:creator>parnassus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tube, thanks for the good post; how much apparent length does that glove add to your hand/arm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tube, thanks for the good post; how much apparent length does that glove add to your hand/arm?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Funny Rocks and Pharyngula by J Pistilli</title>
		<link>http://orgoneresearch.com/2012/01/01/funny-rocks-and-pharyngula/comment-page-1/#comment-3228</link>
		<dc:creator>J Pistilli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sent PZ Myers those pictures of what appears to be a mineralized brain. I was only seeking his opinion. I am neither a creationist or evolutionist. I want to have it evaluted. I would like to send pictures to whoever you think might be interested. It was broken off a larger rock before it went into the crusher at a rock quarry Ventura Calif.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sent PZ Myers those pictures of what appears to be a mineralized brain. I was only seeking his opinion. I am neither a creationist or evolutionist. I want to have it evaluted. I would like to send pictures to whoever you think might be interested. It was broken off a larger rock before it went into the crusher at a rock quarry Ventura Calif.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Daniel Loxton’s Evolution by Maxx (Netherlands)</title>
		<link>http://orgoneresearch.com/2011/07/19/daniel-loxton%e2%80%99s-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-2862</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxx (Netherlands)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great review, hope to find a copy in Dutch:)

Sound like a great book to help dad tell his kids about our origins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great review, hope to find a copy in Dutch:)</p>
<p>Sound like a great book to help dad tell his kids about our origins.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Roger Patterson’s Plagiarism by sierra4</title>
		<link>http://orgoneresearch.com/2012/01/11/roger-patterson%e2%80%99s-plagiarism/comment-page-1/#comment-2838</link>
		<dc:creator>sierra4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seriously doubt Roger Patterson was sophisticated enough to know what the word Plagiarism meant or that using someone else&#039;s work was a no-no. 

While I think the Patty creature is the real deal, the story behind how it all went down is a much bigger fraud than any petty plagiarism by Patterson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seriously doubt Roger Patterson was sophisticated enough to know what the word Plagiarism meant or that using someone else&#8217;s work was a no-no. </p>
<p>While I think the Patty creature is the real deal, the story behind how it all went down is a much bigger fraud than any petty plagiarism by Patterson.</p>
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